Medizin Aktuell: Thus, the sentence in St John’s Gospel would make sense, where Christ says: “Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me, will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father”. That would be a catastrophe for the Church.

Peter Hübner: We have to assume that; because suddenly consciousness would be the measure of all things in Church – and not only some materialistic power-political manipulations.
Suddenly, to be strictly correct, only a person can occupy a higher position in such a Church, who has developed a higher consciousness according to its creator of religion as following the standards of modern objective natural science.

Then suddenly, the actual closeness to our Creator, would be verified by the scientific objectification of our development of consciousness.

Medizin Aktuell: That would be the end of all hypocrisy and affected piety!

Peter Hübner: And then it would be quite naturally clear to the Church, on the strength of genuine dignitaries with higher developed consciousness, that their firmly constructed system of political and socio-political power over their own parties and commercial enterprises would be absolutely uninteresting from a state of higher knowledge – as all this blind diversion has its final end at the absolute sound barrier of the so-called civilised world.

Medizin Aktuell: With deep sleep!

Peter Hübner: Yes, with deep sleep. All values, which now essentially dominate the Church, have no natural access to the higher cosmic worlds.

Medizin Aktuell: So, by achieving higher states of consciousness, the mainly materialistically moulded power political world of the Church would collapse?

Peter Hübner: That is right. But not only in the church: every power political system, which is mainly materialistic.

I have expressed this in my opera “Song of Life” right at the beginning – where the world-scaffold of the so-called civilised world collapses as a result of the appearance of a wise man, who brings with him the technology to achieve higher states of consciousness and/or as a result of the cosmic breath of life.

Medizin Aktuell: As we experience within this world scaffold, this third main state of consciousness, deep sleep, constitutes an enormous barrier, which we cannot overcome by our own efforts.

And this applies to human beings, peoples and generations.

This is the subject of your other opera “Curse or Blessing: still” that only due to favourable external and internal circumstances in human history, very few succeeded in breaking through this wall of deep sleep and in penetrating through to cosmic worlds ...

Peter Hübner: ... and then bringing cosmic experiences along from there ...

Medizin Aktuell: ... and reporting it to others – which then led to the persecution of those who broke through the fourth main state of consciousness, as history proved, and as you showed in your opera “Curse or Blessing; yes”.

Peter Hübner: Because with his reports, such a person shakes the existing balances of power of the mental world, which only consist of the “achievements” of the first three main states of consciousness.